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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Dylan: What is interesting is that the grating voice that he sings in was intentional. At least back when he started, it didn&#039;t reflect his regular voice. That blew me away when I discovered that in the documentary biography that aired a few years ago. He chose that voice?! (Listen to Nashville Skyline, as an example of how he might sound when not putting on his typical singing voice.)

That said, while I prefer cover versions of many of his songs, I don&#039;t think anyone else could do as well with &quot;Don&#039;t Think Twice It&#039;s Alright&quot;.

Also from this post, I think that there is a continuum, from writing at one end, through music and dance in the middle (with composer/choreographer and performer) to something like a movie (writer, director, actors, cinematographer, etc., etc., etc.). at the other end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Dylan: What is interesting is that the grating voice that he sings in was intentional. At least back when he started, it didn&#8217;t reflect his regular voice. That blew me away when I discovered that in the documentary biography that aired a few years ago. He chose that voice?! (Listen to Nashville Skyline, as an example of how he might sound when not putting on his typical singing voice.)</p>
<p>That said, while I prefer cover versions of many of his songs, I don&#8217;t think anyone else could do as well with &#8220;Don&#8217;t Think Twice It&#8217;s Alright&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also from this post, I think that there is a continuum, from writing at one end, through music and dance in the middle (with composer/choreographer and performer) to something like a movie (writer, director, actors, cinematographer, etc., etc., etc.). at the other end.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, good post. Incidentally, I heard a cover of &quot;Spirit of Radio&quot; the other day and it&#039;s bugging me because I have no idea who it was. 

Anyhow, about who writes/sings/interprets a song, I think it depends on a voice and how it is able to convey the emotion. Dylan&#039;s &quot;How does it FEEL?&quot; is the perfect example. And although I think that Cohen is fantastic with how he sings some of the songs he has written (&quot;Everybody Knows&quot; comes to mind. Gives me shivers.), he is a better poet, overall, than he is a singer who can move me. I&#039;ve heard a half-dozen versions of &quot;Hallelujah&quot;, but only Jeff Buckley&#039;s has made me collapse in a crying puddle on the floor, stricken to the bone by the frailty of human nature and that I was a shell of a being. (Scared the pants off E, too!)

So maybe the ability of the singer/performer to interpret and bring the emotion to a given piece is what makes it good? But I&#039;m pretty sure you all already said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, good post. Incidentally, I heard a cover of &#8220;Spirit of Radio&#8221; the other day and it&#8217;s bugging me because I have no idea who it was. </p>
<p>Anyhow, about who writes/sings/interprets a song, I think it depends on a voice and how it is able to convey the emotion. Dylan&#8217;s &#8220;How does it FEEL?&#8221; is the perfect example. And although I think that Cohen is fantastic with how he sings some of the songs he has written (&#8220;Everybody Knows&#8221; comes to mind. Gives me shivers.), he is a better poet, overall, than he is a singer who can move me. I&#8217;ve heard a half-dozen versions of &#8220;Hallelujah&#8221;, but only Jeff Buckley&#8217;s has made me collapse in a crying puddle on the floor, stricken to the bone by the frailty of human nature and that I was a shell of a being. (Scared the pants off E, too!)</p>
<p>So maybe the ability of the singer/performer to interpret and bring the emotion to a given piece is what makes it good? But I&#8217;m pretty sure you all already said that.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(And I don&#039;t think anyone really can succeed and we can use Dylan as proof. 

Since this is my tribal background, I&#039;d suggest Dylan was representative of a movement to relativism - think of his unusual vocal style as a completely unique instrument. Like, what&#039;s her name, Iain. Or hell, Janis Joplin, who I love and who could sing a larger range, but was as polished as a chainsaw. 

I imagine cookie monster death metal may have the same sort of roots, although I don&#039;t know that sound well enough to evaluate what constitutes mastery of it. *g*.

Plus Dylan was a poet giving voice to inner reflection on the progressiveness of the time in the folk format, which is unpolished and varied as a rule, but Dylan always puts me in mind also of the the laid-back poet intellects like Piaf or Cohen or whatever. The more educated voice meets (ooh, co-opts? how to start a fight among pacifist hippies 101) the working class movement. Tom Waits without the hard living, Cohen without the sex. 

It may not be particularly to Bec&#039;s taste, and truthfully I&#039;m not a huge fan, but it&#039;s masterfully done and evocative. He&#039;d got a moneyed audience looking for his sort of voice to their zeitgeist... )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And I don&#8217;t think anyone really can succeed and we can use Dylan as proof. </p>
<p>Since this is my tribal background, I&#8217;d suggest Dylan was representative of a movement to relativism &#8211; think of his unusual vocal style as a completely unique instrument. Like, what&#8217;s her name, Iain. Or hell, Janis Joplin, who I love and who could sing a larger range, but was as polished as a chainsaw. </p>
<p>I imagine cookie monster death metal may have the same sort of roots, although I don&#8217;t know that sound well enough to evaluate what constitutes mastery of it. *g*.</p>
<p>Plus Dylan was a poet giving voice to inner reflection on the progressiveness of the time in the folk format, which is unpolished and varied as a rule, but Dylan always puts me in mind also of the the laid-back poet intellects like Piaf or Cohen or whatever. The more educated voice meets (ooh, co-opts? how to start a fight among pacifist hippies 101) the working class movement. Tom Waits without the hard living, Cohen without the sex. </p>
<p>It may not be particularly to Bec&#8217;s taste, and truthfully I&#8217;m not a huge fan, but it&#8217;s masterfully done and evocative. He&#8217;d got a moneyed audience looking for his sort of voice to their zeitgeist&#8230; )</p>
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		<title>By: Arwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar argument can be made for Leonard Cohen, and although Tom Waits can sing when he chooses to, many of Waits&#039; songs. I think it&#039;s a matter of atmosphere, yeah. There is popularity to that particular style and I wonder if during that time period it was more in vogue?

I like it more than, say, a vocal acrobat like Celine. It&#039;s, whatdyacallit, an arrangement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar argument can be made for Leonard Cohen, and although Tom Waits can sing when he chooses to, many of Waits&#8217; songs. I think it&#8217;s a matter of atmosphere, yeah. There is popularity to that particular style and I wonder if during that time period it was more in vogue?</p>
<p>I like it more than, say, a vocal acrobat like Celine. It&#8217;s, whatdyacallit, an arrangement.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think it&#039;s technique that&#039;s &quot;eh, anybody can do that if they work hard enough&quot;--maybe not to freakish Yo Yo Ma levels but better than Dylan anyway, while it&#039;s the ability to really connect with an audience that&#039;s rare and wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think it&#8217;s technique that&#8217;s &#8220;eh, anybody can do that if they work hard enough&#8221;&#8211;maybe not to freakish Yo Yo Ma levels but better than Dylan anyway, while it&#8217;s the ability to really connect with an audience that&#8217;s rare and wonderful.</p>
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